Berg on Homosexuality

Incongruous with his sexually charged doctrines, David Berg spoke strongly against male homosexuality, condemning it harshly as ungodly while saying that female homosexuality was not necessarily proscribed.

Berg's literature demonstrated literal homophobia, for example in his instructions to female caretakers of Ricky Rodriguez he insisted that male caretakers not be involved in the more sexually charged practices for fear of his son becoming a "homo".

Berg preferred to call male homosexuality by its Biblical name, "Sodomy". The Mo Letter "Warning To All Sodomites!" is dedicated to the subject of male homosexuality.

Berg on male homosexuality

Excerpt from The Devil Hates Sex!—But God Loves It

35 AS FAR AS GOD'S CONCERNED THERE ARE NO MORE SEXUAL PROHIBITIONS HARDLY OF ANY KIND, EXCEPT HE SURE SEEMED TO HATE SODOMY & I don't see where He withdrew that.—But whatever it is, there might be exceptions as long as it's in love. [...]

36 (MARIA: THE CASES OF SODOMY THAT THINK THEY ARE EXCEPTIONS DON'T USUALLY SEEM TO BEAR VERY GOOD FRUIT.) Yes, that's another thing, some people are always looking for a loophole. (Maria: Even if it's because of guilt that they don't bear good fruit.) It shows they didn't have the faith for it. "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin" (Romans 14:23).—Even if it's wrong in God's sight, & a sin to God or His way of looking at things.

Excerpts from Women In Love

33 ... I find plenty in the Bible that says that you cannot have homosexual man-with-man sexual relationships.--That is an abomination to God! He destroyed whole cities and whole civilisations for it and He slew men for it! Apparently it is a complete abhorrence to Him for some reason.

34 (MARIA: BUT HE PUT A GREAT LOVE OF MEN FOR OTHER MEN IN THEIR HEARTS, DIDN'T HE?) Well there are many men who had a great love for each other: David and Jonathan had a tremendous love for each other, friendship for each other. There are people who always are claiming, "Well, that was probably a homosexual relation."--Hell no! I don't believe it had to be a homosexual relationship at all! No.

37 BUT DOCTORS WILL TELL YOU THAT MALE SODOMY IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU, and that it's apt to result in all kinds of tissue injuries and infections and damages, and it's just plain downright God-damn dirty! I don't see why any men in the world want to do it, except that it's demonic and a perversion because it's unscriptural and it's a sin and against the commandments of God, therefore the demons must inspire them to do it!

39 EVEN THEN I DON'T THINK THEY COULD CAUSE THE DAMAGE TO THE TISSUE THAT MEN CAN CAUSE, "men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in their own bodies the recompense of their error which is meet," that which they justly deserve, their own punishment. But I don't see what's so strange about a little female-to-female masturbation!

55 SODOMY DOESN'T APPEAL TO ME in any way, shape or form and never has! It just disgusts me and sickens me to even think about it! I'm not blaming the poor boys who have some kind of satanic perversion or demonic impulse that tries to drive them into that kind of a relationship. It's really sad! I feel sorry for them and they've got to pray and ask God to get them out of it and deliver them from that kind of a spirit--it's anti-Christ, anti-God, anti-Bible, anti-Nature!

57 BUT TO IMPLY THERE WAS A HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP IN THESE BIBLE CASES JUST MAKES ME FIGHTING MAD! It makes me sick! Maybe John had that inclination, but I'm sure that Jesus never would have tolerated it. But they could love one another. I'm sure it was more like a brotherly love by far than anything else.

Excerpts from Sex Jewels

26 WE WERE SITTING IN A RESTAURANT NEXT TO A TABLE OF HOMOSEXUAL MEN DRESSED AS WOMEN, & Abrahim spoke quite violently in tongues & interpretation: "These have not the kisses of your father! These are they for which Sodom was destroyed." What these guys don't understand is that an evil spirit gets into them. I am sure they are female devils who get into these guys. They don't realise they are playing with something more powerful than they are, the spirit world!

27 I'M CONVINCED THEY BECOME DEMON-POSSESSED BY FEMALE DEVILS which makes them more female even than they expected to be, a total perversion that God has hated even from the beginning! This is why [EDITED: "Canaan, see "The Un-Cursed Sons of Ham!", ML #2928"] was cursed. [DELETED] May God deliver us from this sort of sickening delusion! Poor boys, I guess I should feel sorry for them, but it is a perversion. But God can help us. He's proved with even some of our boys who are in the Family today, He can completely deliver them of this kind of thing. So that's the way I feel about it.

CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF BERG QUOTATIONS ON MALE HOMOSEXUALITY

"REVOLUTIONARY SEX" March 27,1973

16. OF COURSE, MANY OF THESE LIBERATIONISTS ARE GOING TO THE OPPOSITE EXTREME OF TOTAL PROMISCUITY and permissiveness in any form whatsoever, with anybody, any time, any place, and any how, in any way, or everywhere, with everybody!--This is not only in defiance of the cultural mores of moralistic Western society and its sexual laws, but also in open defiance of even some of the few ordinances of God Himself against a few limited types of sex such as fornication, adultery, incest and sodomy. These last are really the only four forms of sex which God prohibits or limits or frowns upon, and He even makes a few exceptions to some of these under certain circumstances! The words "fornication" and "adultery" are often used interchangeably in the Bible, but when there is actually any distinction between the two, fornication often refers to such God-prohibited, overindulgent and excessive sexual activities as whoremongering, harlotry, promiscuity, extramarital sex, etc. Whereas adultery, in the more strict sense of the word, usually means illicit sex with another's husband or wife or another's mate, one who is already legally married to somebody else. Incest, or certain forms of sex with certain specified close relatives was not made illegal until the Mosaic Law 2600 years after Creation. Sodomy is male homosexuality, or "men with men doing that which is unseemly," and which God strictly forbids and severely judged as the most evil and abominable sexual sin of all, and for which as far as we can see He never made any exceptions, although there were many exceptions, allowances and tolerations regarding the other three!

REVOLUTIONARY MARRIAGE! August 1973

14. I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT WE ARE AT THE MOMENT VISITING IN A COUNTRY WHICH PERMITS ALMOST NO CONTACT BETWEEN THE SEXES before marriage--and I mean, hardly even a conversation, hardly even a look, and where the marriages are all arranged by the parents, and the children given almost no choice whatsoever, and sometimes hardly see each other before they're married! But from what we can personally observe here, this has resulted in many miserable and unhappy marriages, because they did not learn to know each other, love each other, or work together, much less live together, before marriage! It would amaze you!--You rarely even see a girl on the streets here, not many work, and they virtually never date unless some relative is along--and how many boys wanna take a girl out with her grandmother? Result: the streets, cafes, and theatres are filled with an almost 100 percent totally male society, so that it's almost unbelievable. We hardly know what a Greek girl looks like, much less a Turkish girl, who are even more Oriental in this practice!

15. BUT AS WE HAVE SAID, WE HAVE NOT FOUND THAT THIS MAKES FOR A WHOLESOME RELATIONSHIP between the sexes, much less happy marriages, and even worse, it has resulted in some of these countries being notorious for their homosexuality amongst men! If you wanna prevent this kind of a disaster, give our boys their women, and NOW!

"WOMEN IN LOVE" December 20, 1973

1. HERE IT SEEMS TO ME WE'RE BACK AGAIN TO THE SCRIPTURES GOD GAVE US ON "ALL THINGS." If those Scriptures apply to heterosexual relationship, male and female, why can't they apply to the relationships of two women?--Why not, if the same rules are applied? When He's speaking of love, He says if you do it in love, against such there is no law, right?--If it's real love. So if it is real love, why not?

2. IT IS NOT EXPLICITLY FORBIDDEN, SUCH AS IT IS WITH MEN WITH MEN. Male homosexuality is expressly, definitely and specifically forbidden and cursed and called sodomy. In that case it is absolutely forbidden--it's a sin. But I don't see and I've never been able to find any place in the Bible where it is forbidden to women.

33. WELL, I DON'T FIND ANYTHING IN THE BIBLE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T! I find plenty in the Bible that says that you cannot have homosexual man-with-man sexual relationships.--That is an abomination to God! He destroyed whole cities and whole civilisations for it and He slew men for it! Apparently it is a complete abhorrence to Him for some reason.

34. (MARIA: BUT HE PUT A GREAT LOVE OF MEN FOR OTHER MEN IN THEIR HEARTS, DIDN'T HE?) Well there are many men who had a great love for each other: David and Jonathan had a tremendous love for each other, friendship for each other. There are people who always are claiming, "Well, that was probably a homosexual relation."--Hell no! I don't believe it had to be a homosexual relationship at all! No.

35. "FILEO" OR BROTHERLY (OR SISTERLY) LOVE DOES NOT HAVE TO ALWAYS WIND UP IN SEX! Brotherly love, Godly love--these do not have to necessarily always wind up in each other's arms sexually. They're inclined to, but let's face it, if God's forbidden that between men, then they better lay off! But, if He hasn't forbidden it between women, I don't see why not!

36. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH FEMALE LESBIANISM, AND I THINK THE REASONS ARE OBVIOUS: Women cannot have the same kind of relationship that men can have with each other, and it cannot do their bodies the damage that men can do to their bodies, especially in the form that most sodomy takes.

37. BUT DOCTORS WILL TELL YOU THAT MALE SODOMY IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU, and that it's apt to result in all kinds of tissue injuries and infections and damages, and it's just plain downright God-damn dirty! I don't see why any men in the world want to do it, except that it's demonic and a perversion because it's unscriptural and it's a sin and against the commandments of God, therefore the demons must inspire them to do it!

38. BUT AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, I DON'T SEE WHAT DAMAGE ANY TWO WOMEN CAN DO TO EACH OTHER unless they use some mechanical devices, I've never read in any book, any scientific book on the subject where normal lesbianism could actually cause any physical injury or harmfulness, unless of course they use some stupid idiotic devices of some kind which are ridiculous.

39. EVEN THEN I DON'T THINK THEY COULD CAUSE THE DAMAGE TO THE TISSUE THAT MEN CAN CAUSE, "men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in their own bodies the recompense of their error which is meet," that which they justly deserve, their own punishment. But I don't see what's so strange about a little female-to-female masturbation!

55. SODOMY DOESN'T APPEAL TO ME in any way, shape or form and never has! It just disgusts me and sickens me to even think about it! I'm not blaming the poor boys who have some kind of satanic perversion or demonic impulse that tries to drive them into that kind of a relationship. It's really sad! I feel sorry for them and they've got to pray and ask God to get them out of it and deliver them from that kind of a spirit--it's anti-Christ, anti-God, anti-Bible, anti-Nature!

56. BUT TWO BOYS COULD BE VERY, VERY GOOD FRIENDS. They don't have to have sex with each other! They can love each other very much like David and Jonathan did, and like Jesus and John the Beloved. He was called the beloved disciple because he was always laying his head on Jesus' bosom he loved Him so much. He was apparently a very young disciple. Jesus was about thirty, but John they say was only in his teens.

57. BUT TO IMPLY THERE WAS A HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP IN THESE BIBLE CASES JUST MAKES ME FIGHTING MAD! It makes me sick! Maybe John had that inclination, but I'm sure that Jesus never would have tolerated it. But they could love one another. I'm sure it was more like a brotherly love by far than anything else.

"SAHARA" October 28, 1975

4. THOSE EVIL MOROCCAN LEADERS have always been evil beasts, thieves, murderers, cutthroats, pirates and Mafia. I can't remember one single good thing about them, can you? The word most closely associated in my memory with Moroccans is those "Moroccan pirates." They've always been a bunch of the worst and cruelest kind of people!

5. WE RECENTLY RECEIVED A LETTER FROM ONE OF OUR BOYS WHO WAS IMPRISONED THERE: Joseph of Bradford, England: "Believe me, I've got plenty to kick about! I was imprisoned six months in Morocco and do you know what the charge was? Are you ready for this? Plotting to overthrow the government through the use of ... the MO Letters! How about that? The Moroccans are so God damned anti-Christ and anti-God, the filthiest, morbid, degenerate, most disgusting and downright lowlife disease-ridden people I have ever come in contact with! Almost all the Moroccans are homosexuals, perverted, etc. I love the Lord and His Word and that means you and the Letters too! I've always been fanatical about the Letters and it's gotten me into trouble a couple of times. ... However, I'd rather die for something than live for nothing!"

ALEXANDER, THE EVIL MAGICIAN! February 7, 1978

8. GOD FAVOURS THE TURKS MORE THAN THE GREEKS. He has big sympathy for the Turks more than the Greeks. The Greeks are famous for homosexuality. All over the world it's known as "the Greek way"--from the rear.

HOMOS! A Question of Sodomy? June 9, 1978

Editor's note: As the title to this letter indicates, it is entirely concerned with male homosexuality, with Berg variously characterizing it as a sin, a weakness, a frailty, a handicap, or an abnormality.

QUESTIONS FROM THE FIELD--Part 1 December 16, 1978

48. (TIMOTHY: IN THE CASE OF "HOMOS," I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN IT & TAKEN OFF on it.) I think they take it the way they want to take it! (Timothy: Exactly.) I couldn't have made it any plainer in that Letter.

49. WE ARE AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY, THE BIBLE IS AGAINST IT, THE LORD IS AGAINST IT & you ought to fast & pray for deliverance! (Maria: Some people did & they got a big victory!) Others took it as an excuse because we couldn't take a flat four-footed stand & condemn everybody & every single case. If you leave one little loophole, there will always be some people who try to squeeze through it.

50. (MARIA: SOME OF THE THINGS WE CAN'T HOLD BACK IN THE LETTERS, SO WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL & PRESENT ALL SIDES & factors for them. I think you did that very well in "Homos," so some people got a victory & some people got worse.) I think they did what they wanted, just like people do what they want with the Bible. They wrest the Scriptures & interpret it to suit themselves & to fit their own case.

51. JETHRO USED TO GET UP & APOLOGISE & EXPLAIN AWAY MY LETTERS EVERYTIME before he would read them! "Well now, you know Dad, now you know what Dad means. Now you know he doesn't always say what he means or mean what he says" & he'd explain the whole thing away before he would even read it, or while he was reading it. People will just do what they want to do & believe what they want to believe, no matter what you say. They'll try to twist the Letters & twist the Bible to fit.

52. ALL I KNOW IS THE WHOLE BIBLE IS ABSOLUTELY DEAD SET AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY! God wiped out whole cities & civilisations! [DELETED] (John: Sometimes when a new Letter comes out with new ideas, some people think it automatically negates the old Letters that have been written on the subject. They need to balance Scripture with Scripture & realise that they have to get the balance.)

53. IN SOME OF THOSE OLDEST LETTERS I STATED THE BASIC FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN CHANGED; It's still the way I feel about it, it's still the way I believe. It's still the way I think we ought to operate. But just because I wrote them nine or ten years ago, some people have decided they don't mean anything anymore.

54. WE MAY CHANGE OUR METHODS BUT WE DON'T CHANGE THE BASIC PRINCIPLES.--Just like a general fighting a war. He may change tactics, methods, means of attack, ways of doing things, but he doesn't change the basics.

SEX JEWELS! Complied May 1980

26. WE WERE SITTING IN A RESTAURANT NEXT TO A TABLE OF HOMOSEXUAL MEN DRESSED AS WOMEN, & Abrahim spoke quite violently in tongues & interpretation: "These have not the kisses of your father! These are they for which Sodom was destroyed." What these guys don't understand is that an evil spirit gets into them. I am sure they are female devils who get into these guys. They don't realise they are playing with something more powerful than they are, the spirit world!

27. I'M CONVINCED THEY BECOME DEMON-POSSESSED BY FEMALE DEVILS which makes them more female even than they expected to be, a total perversion that God has hated evenfrom the beginning! This is why [EDITED: "Canaan, see "The Un-Cursed Sons of Ham!", ML #2928"] was cursed. [DELETED] May God deliver us from this sort of sickening delusion! Poor boys, I guess I should feel sorry for them, but it is a perversion. But God can help us. He's proved with even some of our boys who are in the Family today, He can completely deliver them of this kind of thing. So that's the way I feel about it.

THE DEVIL HATES SEX--But God Loves It May 20, 1980

12. BUT THE DEVIL HAS ABSOLUTELY MADE IT [sex] AN ABOMINATION to where it's practically one of the cardinal doctrines of the Church--particularly the Catholic Church-- to forbid their priests sex, of all things, Imagine! And it has driven them into horrible perversion till they've become a bunch of homosexual perverts: The Priest hood has fallen into the worst kind of sexual sin-sodomy--because of the Church doctrines against sex! Think of it!

35. AS FAR AS GOD'S CONCERNED THERE ARE NO MORE SEXUAL PROHIBITIONS HARDLY OF ANY KIND, EXCEPT HE SURE SEEMED TO HATE SODOMY & I don't see where He withdrew that.--But whatever it is, there might be exceptions as long as it's in love. God's only law is Love!--And I'll tell you, it's dangerous because the System sure hates it,& the System's laws & everything are geared against sexual activities of all kinds & types, particularly having anything to do with children!-- You don't even have to be a child, just a minor, & in some countries a minor is 23 years of age! Ha! Catholic countries!

36. (MARIA: THE CASES OF SODOMY THAT THINK THEY ARE EXCEPTIONS DON'T USUALLY SEEM To BEAR VERY GOOD FRUIT.) Yes, that's another thing, some people are always looking for a loophole. (Maria: Even if it's because of guilt that they don't bear good fruit.) It shows they didn't have the faith for it. "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin". (Ro. 14:23.) --Even if it's wrong in God's sight, & a sin to God or His way of looking at things.

37. IF IT'S NOT OF FAITH &IT'S NOT IN LOVE, IT'S SIN!--Even if it's right! Even if it's not wrong! Even if legally, technically, according to God's Law of Love it's really not wrong & could even be right, it's wrong for you if you haven't got the faith for it & if you haven't got the love for it! My Lord, how totally messed up the world is! So totally messed up that anybody who wants to fight for openness about se in any way, legally or in literature, ort or anything, has to be very very careful they don't violate the system's very strict rules about sex!

RUSSIAN FAIRGROUND DREAM! 10/6/81

40. I UNDERSTAND IN BRAZIL RIGHT NOW THEY'RE REALLY CLAMPING DOWN ON MISSIONARIES, not just us but all kinds of missionaries & Gospel & so on, really anti-Christ, anti-God. It's an anti-Christ anti-God country anyhow full of devils & demons & homosexuals & fiendish music & a really horrible place to be, in a way. And I think when a country starts getting down on us & giving us trouble or restricting or prohibiting or limiting us or warning us, it's a good time to get out & wait until the Lord changes things or the administration or judges them, & if they deserve it, puts better government in control so we can go back again.

ISLAND OF REVELATION!--Part 7 of "The Garden of Eden!" 25/4/81

27. Homosexuality between men [EDITED: "is"] "men with men working that which is unseemly" sexually. (Ro.1:27.) And I'm sorry to say it has now swept across the civilised World, from uncivilised, savage, native Africa, across Europe, North America & South America. In fact, it has virtually taken the World over today until it seems like the World is just full of sodomites, which is one reason God is now going to have to destroy the World again!

28. HE PROMISED NEVER TO DESTROY IT AGAIN WITH A FLOOD OF WATER, but this time He's going to destroy it with a flood of fire, in the very end, & purify it & destroy the pollution, the germs, the contamination, the wicked, & all evil & the curse, & re-make the surface of the Earth into another Garden of Eden, a New Earth with a New Heaven!

THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH!--1st 4 Seals & 4 Horsemen!--Part 11 of "The Garden of Eden!"--Revelation Chapter 5 & 6:1-8. 29/4/81

25. BLACK HAM-- HAM IS THE EGYPTIAN WORD MEANING BLACK--THE BLACK SON OF NOAH COMMITTED SODOMY AGAINST HIS OWN FATHER one of the most disgusting, sickening, homosexual sins against his own father when his father lay drunk from wine!--And as result, was cursed for, & his son [EDITED: "Canaan"] cursed for it, & [EDITED: "Canaan's"] whole progeny from that time on were cursed! ...

THE FUTURE IS HERE!--& Needs Leaders! 18/2/82

99. MY WILD FANATICAL HIPPIE REVOLUTIONARY TACTICS worked great with the wild fanatically hippie revolutionary generation! But now we're nice little families, parents with children, homes of our own & it's time we all grew up & not let some of these stupid idiots get away with some of their shenanigans!--Running homosexual Homes, smoking grass & all the rest of it! We need to excommunicate them! I don't give a damn how much they contribute or how faithfully they tithe or love to read the Family News Magazine while they're sitting there looking like hippies on the floor smoking grass! I mean, it's just not our Family!

Berg on female homosexuality

Berg spoke approvingly about female homosexuality in the following Mo Letters:

• Women In Love
• The Girl Who Wouldn't!

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